Comments on: Arbitration to None http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/2008/12/01/arbitration-to-none/ "This place is dead anyway." Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:18:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mike G http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/2008/12/01/arbitration-to-none/comment-page-1/#comment-38265 Mike G Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:31:22 +0000 http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/?p=4409#comment-38265 Why have we all started using comments so much? Let's get our ideas back on the main page. Let's start replying to posts with another post again. Maybe just use the comments for small one-liners (and non-members). Why have we all started using comments so much? Let’s get our ideas back on the main page. Let’s start replying to posts with another post again. Maybe just use the comments for small one-liners (and non-members).

]]> By: John B http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/2008/12/01/arbitration-to-none/comment-page-1/#comment-38264 John B Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:16:20 +0000 http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/?p=4409#comment-38264 I don't think the market will affect Sabathia and Teixeira as much as the other free agents. The market and availability of other options at closer via FA or trade has impacted K-Rod. But everyone else is going to be in for a rude awakening. I also think that some players are thinking that they would take the arbitration offer and play out the year with the hope the market improves next year. Team most likely anticipate this move and are thinking in the way that Mike T alluded to....no arbitration and wait to sign 'em for less. I don’t think the market will affect Sabathia and Teixeira as much as the other free agents. The market and availability of other options at closer via FA or trade has impacted K-Rod. But everyone else is going to be in for a rude awakening.

I also think that some players are thinking that they would take the arbitration offer and play out the year with the hope the market improves next year. Team most likely anticipate this move and are thinking in the way that Mike T alluded to….no arbitration and wait to sign ‘em for less.

]]> By: Russ http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/2008/12/01/arbitration-to-none/comment-page-1/#comment-38263 Russ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:03:08 +0000 http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/?p=4409#comment-38263 Sabathia has no reason to sign prior to the winter meetings at a bare minimum. I guess the Yanks will reiterate their deadline to CC at some point - but Sabathia is not signing before the winter meetings. Even if the "market" for Sabathia falls below the 140, I believe the Yanks will honor it because I can't think of a case where it was reported that the Yankees were going to offer something and then signed the player way below that reported figure. Take A-Rod for example, the Yankees were always pretty consistent that they believed A-Rod was $275 million and that's what he signed for. They were adamant that they weren't going to 300 and they didn't. The Yankees believe that CC is worth (to them) $140 million (maybe they have some in reserve in case others are involved) but unless that happens they are comfortable paying that. Don't you think? Sabathia has no reason to sign prior to the winter meetings at a bare minimum. I guess the Yanks will reiterate their deadline to CC at some point – but Sabathia is not signing before the winter meetings. Even if the “market” for Sabathia falls below the 140, I believe the Yanks will honor it because I can’t think of a case where it was reported that the Yankees were going to offer something and then signed the player way below that reported figure. Take A-Rod for example, the Yankees were always pretty consistent that they believed A-Rod was $275 million and that’s what he signed for. They were adamant that they weren’t going to 300 and they didn’t. The Yankees believe that CC is worth (to them) $140 million (maybe they have some in reserve in case others are involved) but unless that happens they are comfortable paying that. Don’t you think?

]]> By: Mike T http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/2008/12/01/arbitration-to-none/comment-page-1/#comment-38262 Mike T Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:06:36 +0000 http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/?p=4409#comment-38262 While I was initially discouraged by the non-arbitration moves, since it could potentially cost the Yankees several draft picks, the reporting is that since talks are so slow this winter, the Yankees and other teams with cash are getting the sense that the market value of players has declined dramatically. So while paying Abreu $16M to $17M for one year didn't seem like a bad idea two months ago. Why pay that when you could probably get him (or someone like him) for $10M or less. That seems to be the thinking across the board as very few teams offered arbitration to all of their marquee names. Makes sense. The Yankees don't need to overpay Pettitte or Abreu and can use their financial might to wait it out and swoop up some bargain prices. The only thing that scares me is the fact that with the apparent slowdown, why is Sabathia taking so long to take $140M? While I was initially discouraged by the non-arbitration moves, since it could potentially cost the Yankees several draft picks, the reporting is that since talks are so slow this winter, the Yankees and other teams with cash are getting the sense that the market value of players has declined dramatically. So while paying Abreu $16M to $17M for one year didn’t seem like a bad idea two months ago. Why pay that when you could probably get him (or someone like him) for $10M or less. That seems to be the thinking across the board as very few teams offered arbitration to all of their marquee names.

Makes sense. The Yankees don’t need to overpay Pettitte or Abreu and can use their financial might to wait it out and swoop up some bargain prices. The only thing that scares me is the fact that with the apparent slowdown, why is Sabathia taking so long to take $140M?

]]> By: Russ http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/2008/12/01/arbitration-to-none/comment-page-1/#comment-38261 Russ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:55:14 +0000 http://www.yankeeroundtable.com/?p=4409#comment-38261 I'm ok with these moves. Especially Abreu. It would be our luck that the guy would accept and we would be stuck with him. The certainty of being rid of him outweighs the draft pick in this case. Andy was a close call, but I'll defer to the Yankees because they must have some indication as to what Andy is doing. I expect it to be quiet until the winter meetings unless there's a surprise trade that happens. I’m ok with these moves. Especially Abreu. It would be our luck that the guy would accept and we would be stuck with him. The certainty of being rid of him outweighs the draft pick in this case. Andy was a close call, but I’ll defer to the Yankees because they must have some indication as to what Andy is doing. I expect it to be quiet until the winter meetings unless there’s a surprise trade that happens.

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