Well, we know where Joe stands.  I understand the concern, I don’t really know where I stand…  he’s got extreme positives and extreme negatives. 

And … John you may have discerned exactly what Cashman is thinking with Hughes.  You’re right – you can’t say that Hughes has been more durable, or would give you 200 innings. 

I am waiting for Mike to weigh in on all of this.  Especially Manny….